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14 May 2012 @ 01:48 am
Sex and violence...  
If I hear from one more person that sex is worse than violence, my foot is going in their ass.  Then I'm booking it on over to Europe where you people have some common sense about this...


The other night, I went to get a waxing done and was being all chatty with the girl doing the waxing.  She wasn't my normal girl, who is really cool.  I already knew this was going to be a problem because this is a real high end salon and there are like, four people there that are not real conservative.  So she asked what I was doing that night and I told her I was going to a concert cuz my husband was doing photos.  She continues by asking if I've been to any other shows lately and so I, of course, go on about the Rammstein show cuz I'm still geeking out over that.  She didn't know who they were so I proceeded to tell her.  Then I told her I wanted to see them the next night in Canada cuz I just really wanted to see them again AND I found out that the stuff they were banned from doing in the US, was going on in Canada.  She asks me what was banned.  Well, in 1998, I believe, they got in trouble because they did simulated sodomy onstage and were arrested in three states for obscene behavior.  If anyone is curious as to what I am talking about, YouTube the song, "Buck Dich" (Uncensored).  And for those of us who don't speak the German, Buck Dich means bend over, and the whole song is about S&M.  So it's not like a huge surprise.  Plus, um, IT'S FAKE!  My husband actually saw it then and said it was just hysterical.  And apparently, the US (in place of getting the big fake cock during that song) get to see a guy get a big light busted over his back.  So once again with the US, violence is a better option than sex.  Oh, btw, if you watch the YouTube video, on one of them, there are numerous people who are like, "That's fake!"  Gee, REALLY?

Yeah, this chick didn't find this too funny or interesting or whatever.  She got all up in arms about it.  While I have boiling wax on me, mind you.  She's all, "Well, I guess you can expect that from a heavy metal show" and "They should really think about the children" and more.   Think about the children, my ass.  I wasn't allowed to go to concerts when I was a little kid unless I went with my parents and if by some strange chance I had been able to sneak off to a Rammstein show when I first started listening to them at twelve years old, guess what?  I knew what sex was!  Ugh.  So then we got into the film conversation.

I'm the kind of person who would rather watch a sex scene than a brutally violent one.  I don't understand film ratings in this country.  Here's my big example.  Some of you may get this, but as of now I know no one who has seen both of these films.  Okay, I saw the film, "Drive" which was rated R.  I also saw the film "Shame", which was rated NC-17.  I really liked them both, but was much more comfortable watching "Shame" and I'll tell you why.  This is pretty spoiler free, as well, so no worries there.  There are two particular scenes in "Drive" that I CANNOT watch.  One, someone gets their head blown clean off.  Graphically.  Two, someone literally beats someone to death while stomping their head in so hard that it cracks and you see brains.  This was the version shown in the theater - the R rated version.  "Shame" is about sex addiction.  It shows a considerable amount of sex - your basic forms onto threesomes and more and then some male full frontal nudity.  That's the one that got the NC-17.  I mean, I literally looked this up and that is why it got that rating.  I don't see why it couldn't have gotten an R.  The last time I checked, R rated films were made FOR adults anyway,  So your kid isn't going to see it unless they sneak in or if you bring them, which is your own fault.

And before you go asking how I would feel watching each scene with my parents, here's another example.  I watched the new version of "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" with my mom and dad.  The rape scene was so hard to get through (hell, even when I watched it ALONE).  The sex scene with Rooney Mara and Daniel Craig?  I LOVE that scene for some reason and had absolutely no problem watching it with both of my parents.  So...

Thanks for listening to my rant.  I don't want to offend anyone, so please don't take it that way.  I just feel it's so ridiculous over here.  When I was in Germany, they were so cool about sex and nudity.  Here, I am so often made to feel dirty for liking sex like I do.  And you know, I'm all about protecting kids.  This has nothing to do with children.  I'm talking about the adults here and stuff that is supposed to be for adults.  It's just lame.


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aruna7 on May 14th, 2012 07:59 am (UTC)
I so hear you!!!!

Sex scenes? I'm good with them, but really violent ones? No thanks. That's just too hard for me at times, while I'm very much open minded about sex. I'm not just saying that because in France we have stuff rated PG or PG 13 that would be R or NC 17 in the US (especially when it comes to sex).

And while I don't say that children should see sexual stuff, well I think that sex is more "natural" than violence, but that might just be me.
Lady Mansonladymanson on May 14th, 2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
Same level of thinking here. Now that I'm older, if I see a film is rated a certain way for sexual footage, I don't much care. But if it's for violence, I often find myself looking up the specific footage because there is a LOT of stuff that can fit in that category. And stuff with rape scenes usually require me to either have someone else watch it first or be very forewarned because I cannot stand those.
Annie: Hornyanniehunnam85 on May 14th, 2012 05:03 pm (UTC)
People in this country seem so conservative in this country when it comes to sex that it's ridiculous. I suppose that's why so many, especially the females, are so insecure about our bodies.
IDK which I'm more comfortable with - violent movies or sexual movies. Probably sexual movies, like you.
Oh, and LOL about the Rammstein song. Sounds like they have the same sense of humor that Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick does (or used to, anyway). Quite a few of their early albums were filled with songs that you had to have a sense of humor to appreciate...which I most certainly do. ;~)
Lady Mansonladymanson on May 14th, 2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
Okay, early Cheap Trick - "Gonna Raise Hell". BEST SONG EVER. Just had to get that out of the way, lol. :)

Good point with the insecurity issue. It's like a lot of us have to overcome that extra little hurtle when it comes to that. For example, I have photos of me on my husband's photography website. People get all up in arms because they are nudes, which I personally feel more comfortable shooting, oddly enough. I'm like, I'm really the only person who should care. If I am uncomfortable with it, that's one thing. But I'm not. And they're REALLY pretty pics. It's not like they're something horridly obscene, lol.
ehlwyen: cordymasqehlwyen on May 15th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC)
I am infuriated by the prejudice towards heavy metal music. Pop music artists have done plenty of simulated sexual situations in their performances over the years, but does anyone get upset that? Oh no. It's heavy metal that obviously is responsible for corrupting youth and harboring the ills of society. Ugh.

Btw, I loved reading your earlier story about seeing Rammstein! I know a few of their songs. It was awesome to hear and see from your recounting about what an amazing stage show they have.
Lady Mansonladymanson on May 15th, 2012 07:14 am (UTC)
Thank you for the heavy metal mention! She said that and I was just thinking, are you actually serious? Plus, over all the heavy metal shows I have gone to over the years (several hundred) I have only seen basically some S&M style stuff and it's been about three times tops.
Dana: Dean - Exsqueeze me!dana_chosenart on May 15th, 2012 06:44 am (UTC)
Why does it feel like you had some fuel from the discussion we had on facebook a few days ago? ;)

I stand by my word, which is what yours is too, it's all very ridiculous. I've never understood the censorship and ratings in the states. It's all just a big joke that makes every European snicker every time it's mentioned. And it's never going to change, because the idiots teach their children the same warped sense of censorship. It's a vicious circle and there's no breaking it.. unless you run for censorship-president, if there is one. (is there one? ;))

One point I gotta disagree with - the rape scene in the Americanized "girl with the.." was horribly tame next to the Swedish one. Just saying ;) Still horrible though :( (hope you get my pov)
Lady Mansonladymanson on May 15th, 2012 07:22 am (UTC)
Gotta agree with you on the Swedish vs American GWTDT scene, but still, neither were at all easy to watch. I know the guy in this one had a very difficult time shooting it, so I feel that had a LOT to do with it. You could kind of tell. Plus, the fact that he hit her in the Swedish one really added more horror to it for me. I'm not sure why. It also wasn't cut and (big part with me) it was shot at different angles. It was all one long horrifying scene.I had terrible nightmares from that one. Even so, I just cannot handle rape scenes at all. Even insinuated ones can be tough on me at times.

Back to the top, lol, yeah, you Europeans have it right on the style of censorship. I remember when I was in Kaiserlautern, I went to the bakery and they had this tabloid that had a topless woman on the front. My husband grabbed it immediately. He was like, "They are SO not going to believe this was in the bakery back in the States!"
Dennissedennycullenlutz on May 19th, 2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you!! it is stupid!!!!!!! I love the The Walking Dead and it should be NC 17 because of the violence and gore that it have.
Lady Mansonladymanson on May 19th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
The Walking Dead, lol...
I still haven't seen the second season, but I remember when I watched the pilot episode and there were these just horrifying scenes. My husband and I were like, "Holy shit, this is on TV????" And meant it. I mean, there is some really creepy gore in that show. Then, of course, we utter our oh so common phrase of, "But, don't show boobs on TV. Cuz that human form...that's bad." Yeah, much better to see this guy get his head blown off and such, lol.
:)
J-Scarphoenix39 on May 23rd, 2012 07:22 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you. I'm not phased by graphic sex, but graphic violence disturbs me and I DO NOT understand why people are so afraid of sex but are fine with violence. Yeah, basically, I'm echoing what you said.