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11 June 2009 @ 02:57 pm
Probably the only opinion post you will ever see from me...  

Those of you that know me pretty well (whether online or in real life) know that I am not a person who is real preachy or voices my opinion a whole ton.  I love people that do because I view them as really strong (*cough* Kezzie *cough*), but I'm not a big fan of debate.  I'm super sensitive in that nature and take a lot of things personally, even if I shouldn't.  This is one of my exceptions...

 

 

www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/11/museum.shooting/index.html

 

Another thing people know about me (more so in real life) is that I have a very strong fascination with the Holocaust and Adolf Hitler.  Now, let me make it clear that it is not in an adoration way, not at ALL!  This all started when I was young.  I was raised by a Catholic Native American mom and Lutheran dad of mixed European descent (who doesn't really practice).  My mom ALWAYS made it clear to me that people, not matter what their beliefs, skin color, whatever, are people just like me.  She does not tolerate people being cruel to others for things like that.  Hence, the reason why my viewpoints are skewed from what people consider traditional Catholics to believe.  On the other end of things, my father had less tolerance for certain people, specifically the Japanese.  Reason being, he was in the military and was stuck on the Pearl Harbor bombing many years later.  Luckily, his viewpoint changed years later when he had to go work in Tokyo and he and my mom now have friends that they change holiday gifts with every year there.   

 

Anyhow, when I was seven years old (and I remember this SO well), my dad was playing the game Wolfenstien on the PC.  For those of you that aren't familiar with the game, it's about a solider trying to free people in Nazi Germany.  So, there are little pictures of Hitler in the game.  I asked Dad who that was and he told me.  I asked who Hitler was, and with me being seven year old, he gave me the most simple answer he felt appropriate.  "Hitler was a man who believed all people should have blond hair and blue eyes."  I mean, what are you going to say to a seven year old when they ask that question?  "I don't know" wasn't going to work.  I remember saying that was idiotic and being curious about it from there on out.  Dad had lived in Germany when he was seventeen to about twenty, I believe.  He guarded The Wall.  So he used to speak German and it really got me into the German culture as well.  Three years later, I did a project in school where we were studying the Holocaust.  We had to read one book and write one report.  Yeah, I read twelve books and wrote eight reports.  I keep trying to find the answer as to why as human beings really think that we are better than one another for such superficial stupid reasons.  I'm a religious person, but I often think of what the world would be like without it because so much pain is caused due to it, although a lot of happiness is at the same time.

 

I keep going off topic.  This is another reason I don't make these posts.  I decided to take German courses in school to study the good part of the history as well as the bad.  That was very interesting.  I talked to people who live in Germany now who still deal with foreigners calling the citizens Nazis and all that bullshit.  You're not helping.  As school progressed, I studied history of the country and war.  Being from a military family, I also saw things from a military angle that a lot of people can't accept.  I wrote an essay that fueled a great debate with my history teacher when asked how I felt about the Nazis in general.  I found it a difficult question to answer because not all of them were kill crazy bastards.  A certain percentage were eighteen year old kids that were forced into the military who would be just as bad off as the victims themselves if they refused to participate in the Nazi army.  That was NOT a popular answer because I was looked upon as a sympathizer, when in reality, I sympathized with anyone that was forced into that situation.  That would be horrific.  The only thing I could imagine would be worse than being a victim of that horrible time would be being forced to hurt people.  The guilt would kill me.  Nonetheless, I got an A.

 

My husband is one that was never big in history.  He's twelve years older than me and as far as educational smarts, he would tell you I outrank him.  Except in math, cuz I am awful at that.  I try very hard not to bring this stuff up, as interested in it as I am because it depresses people.  Every day, I listen to a certain someone who bitches left and right about how the US makes so many films about the Holocaust and how it is not entertaining.  It irritates me more than anything because, it's not meant to be entertaining.  It's meant as a learning tool, as new generations are emerging constantly and the victims of the time period are dying off.  More people will watch a movie than pick up a history book, I can promise you that.  My poor husband always gets a damn history lesson from me whenever we watch these films.  For those of you who saw Valkyrie, when the scene came up where they were at Hitler's house, I was able to point out each person sitting in that room by name and rank before a word was spoken, including the name of his German Shepherd (which was Blondie, for those of you who are curious).  When I was seventeen, there was a Neo Nazi rally this building in our suburb of Minneapolis.  My curiosity just killed me at that point, so I went over there since it was open to the public.  The stuff that went on there was enough to make my cry.  Apparently it was enough to get people arrested as well, because a riot broke out, which I got out of the way of fast.

 

I've wanted to go to DC for years, just to see this place.  People think I'm nuts for that, but it's history.  It's important.  And if you don't want to go, don't go, but don't stigmatize me for it.  I still have yet to get to Europe, but when I get there, I need to go to the concentration camp sites in Dachau and Poland.  My father went there and gave me all his pictures, which my mom came across one day and almost started to cry.  I'm sure someone reading this has been there, but everyone I know that has been there has said that there is just an incredible sadness there. 

 

I just find it amazing that people still believe this crap.  I mean, really?  You think all your problems are based on a specific group of people?  It's things like this that set us all back many years again.  That's why I hate to be lumped into groups, whether it be Catholics, Native American, handicapped, or even female.  People can always turn it around on you for their own gain.  And I'm not perfect about it either; it's very easy to say that specific groups of people are responsible for certain things, when in reality, it's just a few of choice jackasses who screw it up for the rest of the world.


 

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winchesterwoman[info]winchesterwoman on June 12th, 2009 02:07 am (UTC)
Hya!
Well, about the religion. Always the human being have to believe in something more than just what you see everyday. Something superior than the same universe. I mean there is a bad a good side. Always. So. Why the people have to fight for it. Maybe because it something deep thought in the human being, I mean, more than a thought, A feeling. So, if someone get hurts his or her feelings it will be a disaster. But if there wasnt a religion. To where the people could go to find some heal to their pain in this world. And well, if you join the religion with the power of do something, you will be move mass and that´s a good tool to do whatever you want. And saldy, the human being what he wants is the power. But you know, it the human being have power probaly he will be destroy himself. And well.

" It irritates me more than anything because, it's not meant to be entertaining. It's meant as a learning tool,"

hahahah, first see in what world you live, in a world that the people are not intersted in learn more about something, because they are already busy with their life, and the only thing that hey want to have is time to forget in what world they are living. So, if I have a chance to go to the movie theater I will go not to learn, I will go to get some funny. That´s the modern thought of this humanity.


And go to those places where the history begins, you will be more than anyone, maybe in some future you will need some arms to be a intelligent people to get out of a problem and if you have pieces of the history that nobody know. You will more than them.

Well that´s it!

Have a good night! :P
Lady Manson[info]ladymanson on June 12th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
Re: Hya!
hahahah, first see in what world you live, in a world that the people are not intersted in learn more about something, because they are already busy with their life, and the only thing that hey want to have is time to forget in what world they are living. So, if I have a chance to go to the movie theater I will go not to learn, I will go to get some funny. That´s the modern thought of this humanity.
Oh, I get that. I mean, I like to be entertained as much as the next person, but I also enjoy films that are of this nature at the same time. So do lots of people and I feel that its a much easier medium in which to reach people than others. :-)
winchesterwoman[info]winchesterwoman on June 13th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
:O)
"I feel that its a much easier medium in which to reach people than others. "


what you meant with this? I didn´t get this. Could you explain me please?

Well. The people are more interesting in see the world outside of this world where all is problem. And, maybe just the culture person is the person who want to see that kind of pics. And at this time the people are not so culture, you can see how much vanity are in the world, just everything is sex, violence. if you count the people who want to be informed what about the history you can count them with your fingers. And maybe, one thing is the plot that you add to the movie if it is a good plot maybe the people will go to watch it, but not for the hisotry that it has :O

Lady Manson: spn - sam sweet[info]ladymanson on June 13th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
Re: :O)
what you meant with this? I didn´t get this. Could you explain me please?
I meant that using the medium of film is an easier way to inform people rather than other mediums, such as books because many people are more likely to watch a film than read a book.

:-)
winchesterwoman[info]winchesterwoman on June 14th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
Ohhh I got you already!
You are totally right. And it could be more entertainment way to seduce people to know more about history. And of course, in this time when the people are rush any time, well the movies are the best way to introduce the people to the important things. Mmmm, well, but how you encourage to the people to watch that kind of movies when the interest is not there?
Lady Manson[info]ladymanson on June 14th, 2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
Re: Ohhh I got you already!
Well if they don't want to see it, then don't go. All I say is not to sit around and complain because the movies exist.
winchesterwoman[info]winchesterwoman on June 14th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
Ohhh
And who complain about that?
Live like you mean it and love til you feel it: Anna (wind)[info]rei17 on June 12th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
I haven't even an icon that's fitting for a post like this. óò
But let me say this - to be interested in Hitler and the Holocaust is not a bad thing. People shouldn't forget what happened back there EVER.
I've been in "Buchenwald" with school and it was one of the most horrible experiences in my whole life. I don't believe in ghosts usually, but I swear you can smell it there. All the death and the pain and the fear and all those people who died or got tortured. You just ... feel them. It's everywhere and it just won't go away. It's the coldest place I've ever been to (and one of our teachers told us it was specially built this way so the prisoners would freeze more) and I was sick for days after the visit. It's one of those places where you feel like you won't ever be able to laugh or be happy again.

And yes, I think people need to know and need to see and need to feel what happened back then, so it won't ever be forgotten.
Lady Manson: film - gary dracula blue[info]ladymanson on June 12th, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
That is the EXACT same thing I have heard from everyone who has been to those camps. I find that rather interesting.

I'm so glad you answered this positively. I know you're from Germany and when I saw you had responded to it in my email, I was like, "Oh, I may have just really pissed someone off.." So that's good! :-)
Live like you mean it and love til you feel it: Jess[info]rei17 on June 12th, 2009 06:02 am (UTC)
I can imagine. *nod* I'm usually not sensitive to supernatural stuff at all but in Buchenwald ...

And no, you haven't - not at all. :-)
It's good thing when people DO talk about it. I know what you mean - a lot of people assume you have to a nazi when you say you're from germany. It's okay, I guess - I mean, I know where they're coming from. It makes me a little bit sad though because I'm a lot of things but not a racist.
Lady Manson: x - dean/jess[info]ladymanson on June 12th, 2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, in regards to the supernatural stuff there, I always hope those souls aren't stuck there. It would be simply awful. That reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode that I saw and actually brought into my class about a former SS member who went back to the camps to relive his 'glory days'. The ghosts of the people he killed were there and he was forced to live their pain, rendering him permanently insane. It was a strangely humbling episode, as they usually only would tell stories and not focus so much on events of that nature.

I'm glad to hear someone from Germany actually say it's a good thing to talk about it. I remember a girl from Stuttgart came to our school for a while in high school and she always talked about people asking her if she was a Nazi or if Hitler was still alive. It was so idiotic, especially considering she wasn't even alive when ANY of it happened. I took more pleasure in talking to her about the Porsche factory because she lived right by it, lol. That was cool.

:-)
[ *Kezzie* ][info]xxkezziexx on June 12th, 2009 07:28 am (UTC)
Aww, I got a mention. Is that a bad thing? lol

I think it's riduclous people think you sympathise with Hitler and/or the Nazi's because you're interested in the period. Hell, I'm interested in the period but I sure as hell don't sympathise with the guy. We actually studied Hitler at school in my social studies class and my teacher brought up a very interesting point: Hitler did what he did because he though it would save Germany. Now, what he did was wrong, no doubt about it, but the teacher made us look at it all without the ... emotion, perhaps? Either way, it just made me detest what he did even more.

That being said, I'd love to go and see the camps but I don't know if I could handle it, emotionally. I honestly think it would be too much. But you should definitely go if it's something you wanna do and no one should have a go at you for that.

TBH, you've influenced my opinion on religion a lot more than you probably realise. I admit, I used to lump all Catholics in together because every damn one I'd met had been the same. Then you came along and proved to me there are Catholics out there who have grown with the times and realise we live in a different world to what we did back then. Now, whenever I see something that ticks me off with regards to religion -- like the religious propaganda used [by some] for Prop8 -- I literally take a deep breath, close my eyes and say "Chances are Trace doesn't feel that way so it's okay." I honestly do.

Lady Manson: film - milk alex[info]ladymanson on June 12th, 2009 06:47 pm (UTC)
Aww, I got a mention. Is that a bad thing? lol
Oh, I adore you. You'd get a mention in all my posts if it didn't look all super stalky, lol. :-)

Yeah, the crap people give me about it, I just have learned to ignore it. I feel I know much more than they do about the subject and that honestly gives me comfort. What I find amazing is that at a certain point, Hitler could have been looked at as one of the best leaders the world ever knew, but then he threw the hatred aspect into it. It's really too bad.

I really like when you tell me that I have influenced your religion opinion. That seriously means a lot to me. :-) I find the shit that you dealt with so sad. Those people give religion a terrible name. And yeah, Prop8? Don't even get me started on that. I was hanging out with my lesbian sister in law the other day at her sister's (my OTHER sister in law's) bacholerette party and she's like, "How weird is it that gay marriage is legal in Iowa and not California?" She's been with the same woman for thirteen years who got her through cancer, so I don't care what the damn law says. Those two rule...

On a totally different note, your icon gave me this really awesome idea for a very creepy Gen manipulation! Oh, SO EXCITED!!! I'll have to send it to you when I'm done. :-)
[ *Kezzie* ][info]xxkezziexx on June 13th, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
Oh, I adore you. You'd get a mention in all my posts if it didn't look all super stalky, lol. :-)

Aww, you're too sweet!!

The way I see it, tbh, is if people don't understand something, they automatically reach for the hatred, which is sad. We, as a society, could learn so much from studying Hitler and that time period.

You have influenced my opinions and I'm not just saying that. I'm a lot more tolerant of religion now and that is mostly due to you.

OT slightly here, but in what states in gay marriage legal and recognised in the US?

Ooh. All for Gen manips! Can't wait to see it :D
Lady Manson: misc - daneel[info]ladymanson on June 13th, 2009 05:02 am (UTC)
OT slightly here, but in what states in gay marriage legal and recognised in the US?
* Connecticut
* District of Columbia
* New Hampshire
* New Jersey
* New York
* Maine
* Massachusetts
* Vermont
* Oregon
* Washington
* Iowa

Iowa is the most recent. I listened to the broadcast they had for a mass amount of weddings the day it was announced as legal down there. It really made me think about it because there were two men that got married that were so happy because they were able to be married before one of them, who is terminally ill, died. I found it very sad as well because it really shows how it hurts people that can't be married.







Edited at 2009-06-13 05:07 am (UTC)
[ *Kezzie* ][info]xxkezziexx on June 13th, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
Oh wow. That's quite a few. The way it read in the international press, it sounds like CA was one of the first. Clearly, they're not.

But that's awesome. And you're right -- for me, supporting gay marriage isn't about the couple actually getting married. They may not want to and that's their choice to make, but it's having that choice. Straight couples have the choice to marry, yet gay couples don't and it just doesn't compute in my brain. Marriage is about celebrating the love between two people. That's all that should matter.
ehlwyen: cordymasq[info]ehlwyen on June 12th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
*hugs* That was a really good post and I'm glad that you shared with us. I very much agree with your feelings. The shooting got me thinking about the horrors that happened during the Holocaust as well. I admire your interest since events like that don't need to be forgotten or the horror numbed into acceptance. I hope you do get make your trip there someday.

Lady Manson: film - grudge blue smg[info]ladymanson on June 13th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
Thanks so much. It makes me feel better to know there are other people who feel the same as me.